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Is It Picky Eating or PFD? Expert Advice for Concerned Parents with Jaclyn Pederson EP112

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Are you a parent who's ever felt a moment of concern about your child 's eating habits? Maybe they refuse everything you offer, or maybe even seem afraid to eat? You may have heard of "picky eaters", but have you heard of Pediatric Feeding Disorder (PFD)?

Meet Jaclyn Pederson, CEO of Feeding Matters. Jaclyn has had over a decade of experience in program development, helps listeners understand and recognize PFD: a complex medical condition that affects countless families, causing stress, frustration, and anxiety.

In this episode, you'll discover:

  • What is PFD?
  • The difference between picky eating and PFD
  • The potential lifelong impact of PFD
  • Resources and support available for families struggling with PFD

Listen now to learn how you can identify PFD and find resources for your child's healthy development.

More about Jaclyn:

With more than a decade of experience in program development, Jaclyn Pederson’s broad knowledge of programming in the public and social sectors includes program and strategic initiative design, fund development, special events, grant writing, and community engagement. A system thinker and positive team builder, she uses transformational leadership principles to develop energized and efficient workgroups that influence significant organizational and systemic change for all affected by pediatric feeding disorder –such as the development of the expanded PFD Alliance. Jaclyn also manages Feeding Matters’ strategic partnerships with numerous professional associations including American Speech-Language-Hearing Association (ASHA), American Society of Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition, and the North American Society for Pediatric Gastroenterology, Hepatology and Nutrition (NASPGHAN).

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https://www.instagram.com/feedingmatters

More about Dori Durbin:

Dori Durbin is a Christian wife, mom, author, illustrator, and a kids' book coach who after experiencing a life-changing illness, quickly switched gears to follow her dream. She creates kids' books to provide a fun and safe passageway for kids and parents to dig deeper and experience empowered lives. Dori also coaches non-fiction authors, professionals, and aspiring authors to "kid-size" their content into informational and engaging kids' books! Find out more here:
 https://www.doridurbin.com/

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[00:00:00] Jaclyn Pederson: It is truly a condition that brings families to their knees and because it's a condition that's only been around officially for three years. It's something that's not very common like known by healthcare professionals. And so families end up really feeling alone in this and don't have the support that they need to be able to identify it, treat it and find the right resources and support

[00:00:22] Dori Durbin: hello and welcome to That's Good Parenting, the podcast that provides simple steps to help reduce your parenting stress.

[00:00:30] Dori Durbin: I'm your host, Dori Durbin. And as a children's book coach, author, illustrator, podcaster, Fellow parent, I am on a mission to help you find ways to make your parenting more enjoyable. Here's the thing though, have you ever been concerned as a parent when you're watching your child eat? And maybe it's because they don't want to eat what you're offering, or maybe They're afraid of eating in general.

[00:00:56] Dori Durbin: Maybe those concerning issues are things that you haven't been able to actually [00:01:00] utter. Here's the thing. There is something called Pediatric Feeding Disorder, or PFD, that affects countless families, causing stress, frustration, and anxiety. and worry about their child's health and development. So today we get to sit down with Jacqueline Peterson.

[00:01:15] Dori Durbin: She's from Feeding Matters and she's going to help us unpack all of these questions that are in our minds. Jacqueline is the CEO of Feeding Matters and has over a decade of experience in program development and deep commitment to making the world for children of just that much better. So welcome Jacqueline.

[00:01:36] Jaclyn Pederson: Thank you so much for having me, Dori. Really excited to be here and to talk all things speeding. 

[00:01:41] Dori Durbin: We talked about this before we started and you asked me just point blank, have you ever heard of this before? And I said, no, I have not. And so I think for our audience's sake, we need to maybe delve into that a little bit and what the misconceptions are behind 

[00:01:58] Jaclyn Pederson: it, if you can.

[00:01:59] Jaclyn Pederson: Sure. [00:02:00] Yeah. So let's start with just a basic definition of what is pediatric feeding disorder. And so pediatric feeding disorder is when the child really isn't eating appropriate for their age. So you drop them off at preschool and you need to give special instructions because they're not going to eat like their peers.

[00:02:19] Jaclyn Pederson: Or you need to bring specialty tools to help them eat or. Anything like that. They are drinking all of their meals when they're four years old and should be able to be on table foods. So that is the biggest differentiator. And then you go a little bit further into the definition and it's a complex issue.

[00:02:37] Jaclyn Pederson: Feeding in general is complex and our own typical feeding development is complex. It takes us seven years to learn how to eat. And even longer to refine those skills, which is really surprising. A lot of people think it happens at three to five. But it's definitely a learned skill and there's a lot of different intricacies to it.

[00:02:58] Jaclyn Pederson: And not only is it when a [00:03:00] child's not eating appropriate for their age, but then there may be dysfunction in any one of four domains. And that's the definition of the disorder. So in the medical domain, if there is dysfunction in that domain, and that becomes a challenge, or even if there is an unidentified like medical condition, like a common one that gets unidentified is this condition called eosinophilic esophagitis, which is your esophagus is inflamed and that makes it really challenging to eat.

[00:03:28] Jaclyn Pederson: So that may be showing up as poor behaviors at mealtime because a child's in pain when they're eating. So that's the medical domain. And then there's the feeding skill domain. So do you have all of the skills to be able to chew and move your tongue and swallow and be able to do all the things that you need to to eat.

[00:03:48] Jaclyn Pederson: together are, the two domains that kind of kick off the PFD definition and then the other two become almost consequences of the other two. And that is, is there something nutritionally going on? If [00:04:00] we're only eating chicken nuggets, what's happening to our nutritional makeup and what ramifications does that have?

[00:04:06] Jaclyn Pederson: And then on the psychosocial side. And so this disorder is different than a lot of conditions because feeding is so interrelated to our relationship with our parents and caregiver. And so not only is it the child and how the child is showing up or the behaviors that are happening at mealtimes that are trying to communicate something's wrong but also the stress and the anxiety for the whole family during mealtimes.

[00:04:29] Jaclyn Pederson: It is truly a condition that brings families to their knees and because it's a condition that's only been around officially for three years. It's something that's not very common like known by healthcare professionals. And so families end up really feeling alone in this and don't have the support that they need to be able to identify it, treat it and find the right resources and support.

[00:04:52] Dori Durbin: Yeah. Wow. I was thinking in all the parenting books it was. you make them [00:05:00] eat these foods or you're a, not the best parent.

[00:05:02] Dori Durbin: Like you're not putting in enough effort. And what you're saying, they might not even have the skills physically to be able to even process some of the foods that we're even offering. So that's, 

[00:05:12] Jaclyn Pederson: yeah. That's so true. And I know you asked about myths. And I think that is one of the biggest is that I think we're all very comfortable in knowing the food pyramid or my pyramid.

[00:05:22] Jaclyn Pederson: And like all of those considerations of the makeup of a healthy diet, but I think what's not as commonly known or discuss the status of general awareness is what happens when that is not easily done. It's not just, Trying to get your Children to eat their vegetables. It's a very real medical condition that can impact the psychosocial makeup of a child, too.

[00:05:50] Jaclyn Pederson: And especially as the child gets older, there's another condition as a as an older child and even into adulthood that's called ARFID, Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder. And [00:06:00] PFD can turn into that if it goes undiagnosed or if the severity is really complex, the psychosocial domain becomes the primary driver.

[00:06:10] Dori Durbin: And that's where you think about kids in kindergarten or first grade where they're not as good at advocating for themselves and getting the help they need and then they're eating different things than their peers or they're not touching. That's where a lot of it 

[00:06:23] Jaclyn Pederson: shows up at school too is I think And the peer to peer comparison is really challenging because it's challenging on families.

[00:06:30] Jaclyn Pederson: It's challenging in any parenting aspect, I feel like but yeah, it's, it is, and there's so much. conversation around healthy meal times and all this. And so I know a lot of our families that struggle with PFD and ARFID. They will send their children to school with the foods that they can and will eat.

[00:06:47] Jaclyn Pederson: And sometimes that's not your like my plate healthiest lunchbox. But they are just trying to practice being at a social setting and eating. And these are the foods that feel safe to that [00:07:00] child. And that. My hope as we build awareness for this is not only to help identify these kids earlier and get them the support that they need, but also for families that don't maybe have a child with PFT or for school professionals or for just the general public as we have this acceptance and this understanding that you don't roll your eyes at the picky eater at the table because they actually may be dealing with a lot more than you realize.

[00:07:25] Dori Durbin: Yes. And we talked about this a tiny bit, but maybe you can talk a little bit about the difference between a picky eater and a child who actually has PFD. 

[00:07:34] Jaclyn Pederson: Yes, we did. And that is like one of the most challenging pieces to identifying PFD because there is a, in typical feeding development, There is a phase when your child is learning their own autonomy, they are learning more about themselves, they are learning the power of their own voice.

[00:07:55] Jaclyn Pederson: They do get to control that, and that is where we [00:08:00] start to see a very expected phase of picky eating. And, so it's hard to say that, your picky eater is definitely PFD because every toddler is going to go through a variation of picky eating. And I think we're still at the status of PFD and ARFID research where we don't have great, ways to distinguish between the two.

[00:08:25] Jaclyn Pederson: We have better ways to distinguish between typical feeding and pediatric feeding disorder. But when the picky eating has gone on for a very long time, when foods continuously get narrowed down or mealtimes are just a huge stressor and it's something you dread every single day. And the history of feeding has been challenging.

[00:08:49] Jaclyn Pederson: Maybe breastfeeding was a little bit challenging. Maybe the transition to solids was a little bit challenging, but she got through it. Those are all indicators that what you're seeing is not picky eating, but maybe [00:09:00] something a little bit more that we need to dive into. 

[00:09:03] Dori Durbin: I don't think we've mentioned this.

[00:09:04] Dori Durbin: How old does this usually what's the age span Yeah, 

[00:09:08] Jaclyn Pederson: that's a great question. There are, definitely still research needs to be done, but we should be able to pick it up, but definitely under three. But a lot of times you'll see that families under the age of one are trying to say that something's going on and then they figure it out.

[00:09:26] Jaclyn Pederson: And then it's a little bit of Oh, we're figuring out, figuring it out. But then they get to three and they're like, Oh wait, this isn't picky eating. And that's a product of Healthcare professionals and physicians not always knowing that it's pediatric feeding disorder and not picky eating because I think oftentimes they, they are expecting a child to grow out of it.

[00:09:45] Jaclyn Pederson: And so there can be, it's well meaning, but often detrimental this wait and see approach. And that is, It's a challenge because if there really is an issue that we need to get ahead of, if there's an [00:10:00] undiagnosed medical condition, if there's some skill problems that we need to work on then we need to be focused on them as early as possible because that whole time that we're developing our feeding skills and how we feel about mealtimes, that's critical time because those neural pathways are being laid and feeding is the foundation for all development.

[00:10:20] Jaclyn Pederson: Be identified as an infant or even early child. But then it's also something that can exist throughout childhood and then persist into adulthood. Pediatric feeding disorder can oftentimes for for a lot of people, if they do still have some challenges, that's, in, in adolescence is where it probably flips to ARFID, which is avoidant restrictive food disorder.

[00:10:42] Dori Durbin: Wow. So it can affect their whole entire lives, both. Nutritionally and socially if you think it's so 

[00:10:49] Jaclyn Pederson: And that's the thing is like we don't realize how much feeding and eating plays a role in our social development as well as our physical development. Because [00:11:00] that is that's the birthday parties a lot of our kids can't always go to birthday parties because they might start retching when they see the pizza and cake come out.

[00:11:09] Jaclyn Pederson: So it's really impacts. It impacts their life. We've talked to even adults and it's just the saddest story of not really getting the support that you need early on and that impacting their whole career. They have chosen, to not be in a career where they needed to have food at meal or at meetings or be at lunch meetings or anything like that.

[00:11:31] Jaclyn Pederson: And it's really impacts people's lives. Thanks. 

[00:11:35] Dori Durbin: Yeah. And it's interesting too, because you keep mentioning the skills piece. I think we just take everything for granted. So I'm like, Oh, they probably can chew. Is it all the way down 

[00:11:46] Jaclyn Pederson: to biting and chewing?

[00:11:47] Jaclyn Pederson: For sure. That's those are the intricate skills. One of the other myths is that feeding is instinctual and for us as we develop feeding is only instinctual for the first few days of life where we're like [00:12:00] learning the suck and but even then we're still trying to coordinate sex swallowing and breathing at the same time which is different than when we're in utero and so as We start learning those skills, and then as we progressively get older, we start building up the jaw and the muscles and everything inside of our mouth to be able to do a lot of things, but there is there's more than 26 muscles and six cranial nerves that affect a single swallow, and so it's a really complex thing because you're not only navigating kind of your jaw, physiology, how you're actually chewing food and moving it in your mouth and swallowing it, but the bite size, you're picking the bite size, you're trying to hold it in your mouth in the places that it needs to, you're trying not to choke.

[00:12:47] Jaclyn Pederson: So there's a lot of intricacies as it relates to feeding skills. But it also goes into as you get older, you need to know how to pick things up off the plate. So it's [00:13:00] not just once food is in your mouth, but it Am I bringing it to my mouth, and what are the senses that I'm experiencing, and how is my sensory concept of a mealtime, both how I am showing up in my own regulation, and also what am I being exposed to at mealtime as it relates to all of the senses involved.

[00:13:22] Dori Durbin: So really, if you had a child with PFD, are they choking a lot on their food? Is that kind of the 

[00:13:28] Jaclyn Pederson: That is one of the ways that it would manifest, and that would point to a few different scenarios one of the things that we point to early in life as a red flag is if you are trying to feed an infant and they are having a lot of reflux or you see them choking and gagging it could be indicative of a few different problems, primarily like Aspiration or some other kind of like skill base.

[00:13:52] Jaclyn Pederson: We really need to be working with someone who has expertise in swallowing and swallowing disorders. So yeah, and You see [00:14:00] that, and then the challenge is if that's not well identified or taken care of, a child may get used to gagging at the sight of food because that's what's been built up, and that's been the conditioned behavior, and so you still see adults who maybe are gagging at at food, and it's just because they had this buildup as they grew up.

[00:14:20] Jaclyn Pederson: Wow, so then it becomes 

[00:14:21] Dori Durbin: a response instead of an experience then. 

[00:14:24] Jaclyn Pederson: Yeah. 

[00:14:25] Dori Durbin: Wow. This is so complex. I didn't realize that there are so many facets to it. 

[00:14:30] Jaclyn Pederson: It is so complex and I think that's what makes it almost really challenging to share about from an awareness perspective is. In general, I think we're not aware of how complex just typical feeding development is.

[00:14:43] Jaclyn Pederson: I have a five year old and a two year old and we at daycare and at our well child visits, we're always filling out the forms about where their development's at or answering questions about where their development's at. But there's not a lot of like, where is your feeding development at questions.[00:15:00]

[00:15:00] Jaclyn Pederson: The conversation is breast or bottle. Weight, height, like, how's feeding going? That's the status of the questions. And then, at daycare, when you're filling out things like the Ages and Stages questionnaire, you're learning about are they talking? Are they walking? Are they doing all of these things?

[00:15:16] Jaclyn Pederson: But you're not learning, are they at the level where they can tolerate food? Are they picking up spoons? Like, how, what is their feeding development? And one of the things that we would like to see in the future is, for any of those Series of things where we're checking on a child's development.

[00:15:33] Jaclyn Pederson: We need to be considering feeding as its own developmental domain, because it is so complex and it's just not well known as as a complex domain in child development. 

[00:15:44] Dori Durbin: So when people come to you, I'm assuming they're at their wits end because they've Either a child is choking on everything or they're just not eating food in the way that they're expecting they should.

[00:15:55] Dori Durbin: How do you help them navigate what to do next and what does that look [00:16:00] like? 

[00:16:01] Jaclyn Pederson: Yeah you are right that families often are finding us when they are out of ideas of what to do next. When a family finds us, we are available on social media, on our website over email, and it can look many different ways, but oftentimes it starts with kind of an intake.

[00:16:20] Jaclyn Pederson: form or an intake call where we just try to get an understanding of what's going on and where you're at in your journey because everybody's different and every child with PFD and ARFID is different. And so we try to get an understanding of kind of what you've done, what you've done up until this point.

[00:16:37] Jaclyn Pederson: Have you done tests? How supportive is your pediatrician? Have you seen different providers? Because all of that matters in terms of what your next step looks like. We have a family support roadmap, which really guides this conversation for you. So it starts with okay, Are you worried there's a problem?

[00:16:54] Jaclyn Pederson: Here's some questions that you need to ask yourself that are red flags for maybe a [00:17:00] feeding challenge that we need to be looking at. And then we talked with you and figure out what kind of the next steps are. And then we have a provider directory that has providers across the country and some international providers.

[00:17:11] Jaclyn Pederson: We have a family guide which walks you through pediatric feeding disorder 101, I'm new to this condition, what tests are happening what, how do I need to take care of myself throughout this the put your own mask on first analogy, and then some other webinars and information, and we just exist as that support.

[00:17:31] Jaclyn Pederson: It can be a very lonely journey For families who are looking to support their children. And oftentimes these families have heard from well meaning families and even physicians, like they'll grow out of it or.

[00:17:49] Jaclyn Pederson: Give them to me for weekend, I'll get them to eat or understanding that exists around how complicated this issue is. When you are trying to identify a PFD and [00:18:00] get the right treatment, that really does take a physician who is listening to you and who is on your side. Some of our tools help with articulating what might be happening at mealtimes.

[00:18:11] Jaclyn Pederson: And to be able to have a productive conversation with your physician, because I think, I don't know if you relate to this, but even any issue that I go into the doctor's office with my children, I'm like, I like deer in headlights sometimes. I'm like, I wanted to talk about this. I like, it's gone out the door.

[00:18:30] Jaclyn Pederson: Like a tick list of other stuff that pops up in front of it. Yeah. Yes, or they say something and it takes you down a rabbit hole. So what the tools do with that feeding matters has for families is it allows you to be able to point to it and say here's what we're seeing.

[00:18:43] Jaclyn Pederson: This is pediatric feeding disorder. Do you think this might be happening? And then we go into really identifying if there's anything medical going on and checking status on skill development. And then working on it, but we do really advise to our families that we need to be looking at like the medical [00:19:00] components first before diving into any feeding skill or psychosocial and nutrition therapy type things.

[00:19:06] Dori Durbin: I love that you have those resources for parents too, because I think articulating it is really tricky and as a young parent, especially, I was always worried that I was like that hypervigilant parent that came in with okay, they sat up and they looked sideways funny. And they're like. Okay, that's going to happen a lot more, and so I think having an actual tool to take in and say here's what I see is pretty huge.

[00:19:30] Jaclyn Pederson: It's so true. I'm really glad that we do have those resources for families because I do think it helps that conversation. It allows a family member, a parent, caregiver, whoever's in that room say, this is what I'm seeing in Like here's the paper that says this here are the flags that came up in taking this questionnaire.

[00:19:47] Jaclyn Pederson: Here's the information about PFD. And that's a better conversation to have with a physician than, I'm nervous they're feeding. With the right physician, they're going to listen to you, but you do worry sometimes that you [00:20:00] come across as a hypervigilant mom and get dismissed easily because you're a hypervigilant mom.

[00:20:06] Dori Durbin: Yeah. And if they've seen you enough, that might accidentally happen, right? But if you have a path that you can prove that they're, you've already looked at, that's a lot different story, different ending. Your feeding matters website. I was really impressed with, I have to say, so I feel like if somebody was like really struggling and nervous about, reaching out to a person it's a great spot for them to get started and just familiarize themselves with the tools you have available.

[00:20:31] Dori Durbin: But I think your passion and. And your knowledge something that's so new is, I would be calling you. So personally, 

[00:20:41] Jaclyn Pederson: Oh, thank you. That website is there for families to find us when they need us. Families are doing extraordinary things to make sure they're. Infants and children are well cared for, and that kind of is across the board, but when we zero in on feeding, that often means [00:21:00] sometimes feeding throughout the night to make sure they're gaining weight, and we want to be that kind of right star in maybe a dark time to know that you're not alone in this, that we're here with you, here's some resources, here's some support and we'll walk this path with you, because it's, A long path, if there's any disruption along that seven years of feeding development, it's going to take a lot longer.

[00:21:24] Jaclyn Pederson: And so it's not just a switch that we can flip. It's not just a patient that we can provide often. There is not a great like silver bullet, but it takes time to build. 

[00:21:37] Dori Durbin: And on, on that site, I think, were there resources to connect with the other parents? Yeah, 

[00:21:42] Jaclyn Pederson: that's huge too, because I think that's what you know, means the world to families is to hear from someone who's been there before, when they're used to hearing from people who maybe don't understand it at the level that they're experiencing it.

[00:21:56] Jaclyn Pederson: And so part of that intake is, do you want to connect with a [00:22:00] parent who has been there before? This is a program called our Parent to Parent Power of Two Mentoring Program. And so a parent may be struggling with many different things. But they're able to talk to another parent who has been there if they are interested in that.

[00:22:14] Jaclyn Pederson: And it can just be one conversation if they need that. It can be more of a long term match. We really try to individualize it to base, to, to what the family needs. 

[00:22:24] Dori Durbin: We were half joking at the beginning before we even started recording about how sometimes parents can put so much pressure on themselves to be perfect.

[00:22:33] Dori Durbin: And I think that brings it to a level where you're like, Oh, actually this is okay because This isn't that different from what they're experiencing. It gives you some validity to what you're experiencing and feeling. 

[00:22:44] Jaclyn Pederson: Especially, if you are doing that kind of comparison piece of parenting, which is I'm seeing all these kids on social media with messy faces at their mealtimes.

[00:22:53] Jaclyn Pederson: And that's just not what I'm experiencing at home. Or I talk to my friends and that's what they're in [00:23:00] my, Parents are telling me this about how I ate as a child, and it's just an influx of information, and we're already really trying to navigate the shame and the guilt that comes with just parenting and feeding to be the one thing that we And that's what we think and want and dream of the most when we're having an infant.

[00:23:19] Jaclyn Pederson: If that goes wrong, it can feel incredibly lonely and it becomes a real challenge. And so I agree with you that being able to talk to someone else and realize There are others that are going through this. This is what their experience looked like. It's definitely not my fault that we're here that this is just something that happens and actually happens more than we realize.

[00:23:43] Jaclyn Pederson: It's I didn't share the prevalence stats, but pediatric feeding disorder is more prevalent than autism and cerebral palsy. It's More than 1 in 37 children under the age of 5 has PFD. And for a child with a chronic health condition, it's more than 3 in 5 children. And so it is a very [00:24:00] prevalent condition that just doesn't get the awareness that it deserves, which then leaves the family feeling like it's just them.

[00:24:07] Jaclyn Pederson: Wow, that's a huge number. That's a much higher than I imagined. 

[00:24:11] Jaclyn Pederson: It's pretty significant. So it's definitely a crisis that we need to get in front of. 

[00:24:17] Dori Durbin: Interesting. Interesting. If people are listening and they're starting to tune Maybe this is something I need to check out. Maybe I need to act on something.

[00:24:25] Dori Durbin: What are a couple things that they could do after they listen to us today to just get things going? 

[00:24:30] Jaclyn Pederson: Sure. So I think number one, if any of this is resonating and you have had a challenging time feeding your infant or toddler or even child Number one, no, it's not your fault. This is a really complex problem.

[00:24:46] Jaclyn Pederson: There is not a lot of awareness. Even healthcare providers and physicians don't know a lot about this and they get very limited nutrition education in school. And so number one, let's get you some support. And [00:25:00] so let's figure out A, let's figure out what might be going on. And feedingmatters. org, there's a orange button that says get help.

[00:25:07] Jaclyn Pederson: And that takes you to our family support page, which asks six questions about mealtimes and things like how long do mealtimes take? Does your child let you know when they're hungry? Are you worried about your child's feeding? This quick questionnaire allows you to really Identify and potentially determine if you need to be looking further into feeding, and then you can use that questionnaire when you are going to your physician.

[00:25:35] Jaclyn Pederson: And so I would say definitely using our support resources to help you do that, but let's make sure that we are talking to a physician, figuring out if we need to do some other tests, or some therapies and some other intervention. But hopefully you've connected with a parent through Feeding Matters and can feel empowered to advocate for yourself and your child, and then can leverage our resources to [00:26:00] be a part of that conversation.

[00:26:02] Jaclyn Pederson: And maybe if it's not something where you want to take action yet, or you're not ready to take action, maybe just following Feeding Matters on Instagram, just to be aware of the resources and use them when you feel ready, because sometimes it can be hard to know, Is this picky eating or is it PFD?

[00:26:17] Jaclyn Pederson: And so if you feel like you're not ready to jump into action yet, that's okay too. And just knowing that this is an issue that can be worked on, but we can work on it together and we're here for you whenever you're ready, if you need to. 

[00:26:31] Dori Durbin: That's awesome. That is awesome. Jacqueline, we're, tell us again the website, exact name, and if you're available to be contacted, where they can contact 

[00:26:40] Jaclyn Pederson: you.

[00:26:40] Jaclyn Pederson: Yes, for sure. So our website is feedingmatters. org. The easiest email to reach out to us, especially if you're a parent that needs support, is info at feedingmatters. org. And then on social media, where app feeding matters is our handle. 

[00:26:54] Dori Durbin: This has been amazing. Like I said, I think this is it's something that a lot of parents [00:27:00] wonder about, but now you've given it a name, and you've given it a roadmap, and so I feel like this is just such a valuable episode, so thank you so much for being here and giving us so many valuable nuggets.

[00:27:12] Jaclyn Pederson: Oh, thank you, Dory, and it's just So important for people like yourself that have a platform to be able to share about this and support families in this way. And so I just am really grateful that you are shining light on this issue. So thanks for having me. 

[00:27:29] Dori Durbin: Oh, thank you for being here.



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