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My name is Dori Durbin.
It's my mission to search with you to find simple steps and tools to create confident and resilient kids-- without losing ourselves in the process.
You may be wondering who I am. I'm a former teacher, coach and fitness instructor turned children's book author and illustrator, as well as a book and parenting abundance coach.
More importantly, I'm a Christian wife and mom of two amazing young adults who, have quite uniquely put me through the parenting ringer myself. I've been fortunate enough to have interviewed hundreds of experts, parents and authors who have all created parenting tools that have your family's best interest at heart.
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How You Can Stop Fixing & Start Helping Your Anxious Teens with Keri Cooper Ep 106
Listen to this episode, "How You Can Stop Fixing & Start Helping Your Anxious Teens with Keri Cooper" as licensed therapist and author, Keri Cooper joins host Dori Durbin. Are you worried about your teen's anxiety levels? Maybe you're not sure how to help them become more independent? In this episode, Keri Cooper shares insights on the teen mental health crisis, effective parenting strategies, and how you can shift from problem-solving to empowering your teen. Get practical tips for building confidence, understanding today's challenges, and revolutionizing your approach to raising independent teens!
This episode covers:
* The dramatic rise in teen anxiety and its root causes
* The impact of social media and COVID on teen mental health
* The importance of basic life skills and natural consequences
* The power of active listening and meaningful connection
* Family dinner strategies and their proven benefits
* How parents can step back while staying supportive
* Practical tools for better mental health foundations
About Keri Cooper:
Keri Cooper is a licensed therapist with 25 years of experience in helping teens navigate life's challenges. With a holistic approach to mental health and a passion for empowering both parents and teens, Keri combines practical strategies with deep understanding to help families thrive. Her approach focuses on building strong foundations, fostering independence, and developing essential life skills to ensure every teen can grow into a confident adult.
Find Keri Cooper:
Website: https://kericooperholistictherapy.com
Instagram: @KeriCooperHolisticTherapy
Books by Keri Cooper:
"Mental Health Uncensored: 10 Foundations Every Parent Needs to Know"
"Mental Health Uncensored: 10 Foundations Every Teen Needs to Know" (workbook)
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More about Dori Durbin:
Dori Durbin is a Christian wife, mom, author, illustrator, and a kids' book coach who after experiencing a life-changing illness, quickly switched gears to follow her dream. She creates kids' books to provide a fun and safe passageway for kids and parents to dig deeper and experience empowered lives. Dori also coaches non-fiction authors, professionals, and aspiring authors to "kid-size" their content into informational and engaging kids' books! Find out more here: https://www.doridurbin.com/
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Intro for TDP (version 2)
[00:00:00] Keri Cooper: I want to also make sure that everyone understands there's a big difference between fixing it and giving them guidance.
[00:00:05] Keri Cooper: Guidance is always needed, and that is always something where you could say, okay, what are you thinking and start bouncing off ideas together and, ask questions to help them.
[00:00:18] Keri Cooper: get to the place where they need to be. But in the end, they have to do it.
[00:00:22] Dori Durbin: Welcome to the show. Carrie Cooper. She's the owner of Carrie Cooper Holistic Therapy in New Jersey. Carrie has a passion for providing teens with tools that they need and can use to navigate life. And she's also an author, which we'll talk about a little bit later.
[00:00:40] Dori Durbin: So welcome Carrie.
[00:00:42] Keri Cooper: Thank you so much for having me.
[00:00:44] Dori Durbin: Oh, thank you for taking the time to do this. I know you're very busy. We were talking right before the podcast and I appreciate the fact that we're getting this info from you for free because we were just speaking about the mental state of teens right now, [00:01:00] back in COVID.
[00:01:01] Dori Durbin: I know that it was I think you refer to it as a crisis or it was at a critical level. And I, my question was, it hasn't changed. It's been time. Has it gotten any better?
[00:01:13] Keri Cooper: And unfortunately, the answer is no, it really hasn't. So I've been a therapist for 25 years and what we see in kids looks so different now than it did 25 years ago.
[00:01:24] Keri Cooper: 25 years ago, we were seeing kids with behavioral issues. Some ADD, some depression, a little bit of anxiety. It has shifted so dramatically and it should, it was shifting for years really since. the use of social media and cell phones. But then COVID really exploded it to massive anxiety. And now in my office, 99 percent of my clients, it's because of anxiety.
[00:01:50] Keri Cooper: And that is a huge number. And the schools are overwhelmed. The schools keep on hiring more mental health staff. They keep on putting in more mental health programs. They can't keep [00:02:00] up. Colleges are overwhelmed. Their counseling centers are normally full, not even halfway through the school year. So it rose to a crisis level in COVID.
[00:02:09] Keri Cooper: And it really isn't getting much better. The anxiety is still there. Anxiety is 100 percent the number one issue we are seeing in mental health.
[00:02:19] Dori Durbin: Is there a specific reason why that is? Is it just because of COVID itself or is it developmental? What is the area?
[00:02:26] Keri Cooper: It started before COVID.
[00:02:27] Keri Cooper: And I will say there is a lot of research that tracks it back to social media. When you're constantly comparing yourself to everybody and everybody else's most perfect filtered life, always feel like you're behind. You always feel like you can't compete. You always feel like you're not enough. I think that's one huge thing, the pressure of social media as well, to be posting constantly and posting your best life, all of that really sparked up the anxiety.
[00:02:53] Keri Cooper: Right now, like you can't do anything in school without somebody getting a photo or a video of it and posting it. You know [00:03:00] where all your friends are if you weren't included because of Snap Maps. You know way too much information, and it feels awful. The other part of that, though, is that parents have really changed.
[00:03:11] Keri Cooper: We have become, to see, parents be really fearful of the world. And a lot of that is because, again, we have information at our fingertips, and they see the worst of the worst, and all these awful news stories, and it's not like you're just sitting down at the 6 o'clock news. You're seeing it all day long.
[00:03:27] Keri Cooper: So I'm now seeing kids where they get their license and the parents are saying, you can't drive. You're not ready because they're afraid these kids have to drive. So now the parents are instilling all the spirit into the kids as well. I have a lot of kids who in high school are not allowed to go to the mall by themselves.
[00:03:45] Keri Cooper: That was really normal. When we were growing up, I remember being dropped off as early as probably like sixth or seventh grade. And it's again, the fear. So the parents are also now consumed with more fear. And I think a lot of parents will even say their [00:04:00] anxiety is an issue. They are then passing that fear on to their kids as well.
[00:04:05] Keri Cooper: So it comes with, A few different issues are creating this anxiety.
[00:04:10] Dori Durbin: That's interesting. I actually just overheard a conversation for a parent who's getting ready to take their kids to college. And the comment was that they asked them to turn on their 360, that it was the deal.
[00:04:22] Dori Durbin: And the reasoning behind that was examples of things that happened in the media to other kids. And I said, Oh, so you're using the scare tactic to Basically ask your child to turn on 360 and but I understood it too in the same vein, like you want to keep track of where your kids are.
[00:04:39] Keri Cooper: The reality is you're only keeping track of where their phone is. True. It's a false sense of security that a lot of this has created. And Life360 is actually a perfect example. You don't need to know where your college kid is every moment of the day. You actually really don't know, don't need to know where your high school student is either every moment of the day.
[00:04:57] Keri Cooper: They need to be able to have some freedom and some independence. [00:05:00] That's normal development. And what happens now in college is I have a lot of college kids who, instead of having to explain the next day why they were in someone else's dorm at three in the morning, they're now leaving their phones behind.
[00:05:13] Keri Cooper: So as much as we have technology, kids are always going to find a way around it. And again, if something awful is happening to your child, you're not going to know just because they have 360 on them. So these parents keep on trying to get this false sense of security and, return, you're driving your kids nuts.
[00:05:31] Keri Cooper: And that's going to
[00:05:31] Keri Cooper: affect some of the foundations that the kids should have that maybe they don't have as they're coming into this. So do you see a commonality of Something that the kids are missing when they come to you. Independence,
[00:05:43] Keri Cooper: just straight independent. These kids are not allowed to try things and fail, even as simple as cooking in the kitchen.
[00:05:51] Keri Cooper: A lot of parents are, they're going to burn down the house. Listen, I can't guarantee they're not, but chances are they're going to figure it out. We're not letting kids [00:06:00] figure it out. And some of that is also parents and like we have the best intentions, but when your kid is texting you from school saying this person said this to me and the parent is texting back saying you need to do this.
[00:06:14] Keri Cooper: We're not letting them develop the tools. of life. They need to be able to figure stuff out on their own. They need to be able to have a conversation with their teacher, with their professor. They need to be able to write an email without the parent doing it for them. They're going to mess up. They're going to fail.
[00:06:31] Keri Cooper: This is how they learn. But if not given those opportunities, they are going to be scared of life. Think that they can't solve anything on their own because they've never tried. And then they're going to have a lot of anxiety.
[00:06:45] Dori Durbin: Yeah, I was actually that was going to be my next question is what would happen is an adult for them, they're probably not going to take the risks to take the career that they want or to meet the people they need to meet or to move to the place they need to
[00:06:57] Keri Cooper: go to, right?
[00:06:58] Keri Cooper: Because everything is just [00:07:00] filled with fear for them. And we're not instilling the self confidence in them that they need. And parents always say to me, how do I get my child to be more confident? And I always say, you have to let them do more things on their own. Because no kid's going to college fully confident if they don't even know how to do their own laundry or boil water.
[00:07:17] Keri Cooper: They know those are basic life skills.
[00:07:20] Dori Durbin: Yeah, it's funny is I, okay, I'm going to take both sides here because I'm a mom who loves my kids, just like everybody who's listening. And I have been guilty of not teaching my kids. I taught them how to do laundry. I didn't ask them to do laundry. I could say they did do the laundry.
[00:07:40] Dori Durbin: So when my son went off to college, his very first call to me was I'm at the store, I'm buying laundry. I have no clue what to buy and how to do it. And I said, but we taught you. And he's yeah, but you always just went ahead and did it. And I said, you let me.
[00:07:53] Keri Cooper: Because we just love them. We want to do these things for them, and we don't realize, though, that we're putting more on our plate than we need [00:08:00] to, and we're really depriving them. So I actually write in my book, Mental Health Uncensored, Ten Foundations Every Parent Needs to Know, I write a whole chapter about responsibility, and in that, I use laundry as the most perfect example.
[00:08:13] Keri Cooper: Laundry, when you teach your child how to do it, and then say, you go for it, when you don't remind them to do it, when you just let them do it on their own, What they have to do then is build skills for planning. Oh, I have a game next week. My uniform's dirty. Oh, I am going out tomorrow night, but I need that outfit the next day.
[00:08:32] Keri Cooper: It actually teaches them to pre plan, to time manage, and the best thing about laundry is if they don't get it done, the only person that impacts is them. It's a natural consequence.
[00:08:47] Dori Durbin: I love that. If they're they have a game that day, they can wear the laundry that they have and nobody's going to know any different, right?
[00:08:53] Keri Cooper: I, my kids have done laundry from a very early age. Basically, as long as they're able to physically bring their [00:09:00] laundry basket down and put it in, even with a step stool, they're doing laundry. And, the first few times is rough. I can't tell you how many times my first grader came out of her room.
[00:09:08] Keri Cooper: I was like, mom, I have no underwear. And I was like next time you should probably, when you get down to two pairs, do your laundry. But now you got to figure it out. And honestly, I don't know how she figured it out, but she did. I don't know if she was wearing underwear, not wearing underwear, borrowed someone's underwear, but she went to school.
[00:09:24] Keri Cooper: She problem solved it.
[00:09:27] Dori Durbin: And okay, I'm thinking of the other side, some of my friends who probably would have done the laundry or would have gone out and bought some underwear at the last minute kind of situation. So when you're trying to counsel, you're working with the teams, right? Or do, so how do you counsel the teams to take that leap and make that what probably feels a little bit like a scary overthrowing of their parents
[00:09:52] Dori Durbin: authority, right?
[00:09:53] Keri Cooper: It is. It definitely is. Huh. It's very hard for the teens to be like, okay, yes, I can do this. But it's also so much of [00:10:00] me counseling the parents that they really can do this. And what's the worst that's going to happen? What's the worst that's going to happen if they don't get their laundry done when they need it?
[00:10:08] Keri Cooper: They'll figure it out. I had one mom and she was again, just loved her daughter so much. Prom was coming. Her daughter wasn't ordering the shoes she needed. And she's she needs to find shoes. She needs to find shoes. And I said, stop reminding her. She knows she needs shoes. And what's the worst that's going to happen?
[00:10:24] Keri Cooper: Do you really think she's going to go to prom barefoot or do you think she's going to figure something out? She figured it out.
[00:10:32] Dori Durbin: Perfect. Perfect. Yeah. Cause it's so easy to just solve that problem. Get on Amazon, order something,
[00:10:37] Keri Cooper: so let them solve it.
[00:10:38] Keri Cooper: Trust me. They know how to work Amazon as well.
[00:10:40] Keri Cooper: Like they could figure it out.
[00:10:42] Dori Durbin: They know a little too
[00:10:42] Dori Durbin: well. I think many things. That's interesting too, because I think, like I said, having kids in college and my end of things, they've gotten in situations where I really wanted to solve the situation for them and I had to step back and think.
[00:10:58] Dori Durbin: If you were in college [00:11:00] and your mom came in here and told the prof that blah, blah, blah, blah, when you be mortified, and yet that's still our first inclination is to try to fix it for them.
[00:11:10] Keri Cooper: And I want to also make sure that everyone understands there's a big difference between fixing it and giving them guidance.
[00:11:16] Keri Cooper: Yeah. Guidance is always needed, such as when my daughter didn't do laundry. I'm like next time you could, when you notice two pairs. But guidance is always needed and that is always something where you could say, okay, what are you thinking and start bouncing off ideas together and, ask questions to help them.
[00:11:37] Keri Cooper: get to the place where they need to be. But in the end, they have to do it. But you are absolutely always for the rest of their life there as that person for guidance and supports.
[00:11:49] Keri Cooper: And that's actually so much less stress on parents. I don't think if if you're used to solving the problems, it's your problem and not their problem.
[00:11:57] Keri Cooper: And then when you back off and you let them figure it out, It's [00:12:00] actually beautiful. Really.
[00:12:01] Keri Cooper: It is. And what you said is so true. Like it's not our problem. We don't need to take that stress on of course we worry about them, but that confidence to know that we've raised them well, they can do this.
[00:12:16] Dori Durbin: Yeah. Okay. Let me ask you about listening to your kids. I think all the time that most of us feel like I'm listening. I've asked a question, I'm getting an answer, but that's not necessarily active listening. So can you explain the differences between that? Yes.
[00:12:32] Keri Cooper: So when you're really listening, you're not thinking about how you're going to answer next, or you're not thinking about what question you're really just repeating almost back to them what you're hearing.
[00:12:43] Keri Cooper: And I'm so happy you brought this up because I can't tell you how many kids walk into my office and they're like, They're not hearing me, my parents, they're just telling me what to do. They're just judging me and that shuts them down and we don't want to shut them down. We want them to feel like they can always speak to us.
[00:12:57] Keri Cooper: One of the best times to speak to your child, by the [00:13:00] way, is in the car. When you are shoulder to shoulder together where they don't have to look at you in the face. And, let them just talk and ramble and repeat back to them a little bit about what you're hearing, but don't solve whatever problem or don't, lay your own emotion in it.
[00:13:17] Keri Cooper: Just be that board. And that's when they really feel heard. And the more they feel heard, the more they're going to open up to you and talk to you. And also I think that, just making sure that we're connecting with them on a daily basis. Even if it's a five minute check in is so important and it's something that because we're all so busy Sometimes we just forget to do.
[00:13:39] Dori Durbin: What's your recommendation on checking in on them digitally, like whether it's a text, a Snapchat.
[00:13:46] Keri Cooper: Unfortunately, this is where we're at in life. So I really don't have an issue. At some point during the day, if the parents just sound like a quick text Hey, Hope you're having a good day. And that's it.
[00:13:57] Keri Cooper: That kind of quick check in. Yeah. I will tell [00:14:00] you, please do not text your child while they're in school. And please do not text your child about all the chores they need to do while they're at school, because that's just really stressful for them.
[00:14:10] Dori Durbin: Yeah. That's interesting because some schools don't allow phones in the classroom and the other ones do.
[00:14:17] Dori Durbin: And I think that's something that parents don't really think about is. How that disrupts the day in that current time to if they're in the middle of a review for a test and they're getting texts about doing laundry. Yes,
[00:14:28] Keri Cooper: Yeah, and it happens too often because as parents were so busy as well.
[00:14:32] Keri Cooper: And when we think of something, we're also used to now just instantly saying it, but we forget they're in school. Please don't text them while they're in school. There's no need. Awesome. Okay, something
[00:14:43] Dori Durbin: else we talked about too is self care. And I was priming you, asking you what tools you would give teens, and you surprised me by saying, go back to the basics.
[00:14:53] Dori Durbin: So let's talk about that. Yes. So
[00:14:57] Keri Cooper: mental health, we can give you all the [00:15:00] tools, all the tips, all the tricks of what to do when you're having a panic attack or feeling anxious and all the self talk. Okay. If you don't have the basic foundations down of taking care of yourself physically, it is always going to be an uphill battle to take care of yourself mentally because you're always on overdrive.
[00:15:19] Keri Cooper: So what do I mean by that? I talk about sleep. If you are sleep deprived, you cannot focus. You cannot problem solve. You can't make good decisions. You can't handle emotions. Think of a toddler when they miss their nap. Is there any talking logic to them? No, it doesn't matter what tools or techniques you're using.
[00:15:39] Keri Cooper: They're sleep deprived. It doesn't matter. That's the same with us and especially our teenagers. So we need to remember to go back to the basics. Are your children sleeping? Are they eating well? 90 percent of your chemicals are made in your gut. So if you want those feel good chemicals, if you want, your child to be a smiling a little bit more, they need to be eating well.[00:16:00]
[00:16:00] Keri Cooper: Are they hydrated? There's so much research on hydration and most people are lacking in it. Are they exercising and not just like a plant sport? Are they doing something, a walk? something that they enjoy doing. Are they outside? Are they seeing the light of day? That was one of the biggest issues with COVID.
[00:16:19] Keri Cooper: These kids became like vampires, like there was no sunlight getting into them. And then of course that impacts your sleep cycle. It was a disaster. If you don't have those foundations down, even as an adult, your mental health is always going to be an uphill battle. It's never going to be as easy as it should be.
[00:16:35] Keri Cooper: I think
[00:16:37] Dori Durbin: that the sleep piece of that teenagers don't want to go to bed. They're trying to push themselves into that night owl range. And then I can't even tell you college students hours, but I know that they don't get enough sleep. And then you add in the social media piece back in again.
[00:16:52] Dori Durbin: And that's a whole nother piece, which I think you probably wanted to say something about
[00:16:55] Keri Cooper: that too. Probably. Yes. When they're supposed to be sleeping and [00:17:00] their notifications are going off or a friend is texting them because they have what they feel is a crisis at the time. Their sleep is constantly disrupted.
[00:17:08] Keri Cooper: And I also write, I'm writing my book about, taking the phones out of the bedroom at night. They really don't need them there. It should be like a basic habit and should be habits for the parents as well. Get your phones out of bedrooms. And I talk a lot about, nothing good is happening on your kid's phone at three in the morning.
[00:17:27] Keri Cooper: Probably not. So either their sleep is being disrupted, which is the least of the issues, or they're like a crisis counselor for a friend who's having a big problem, which again is not a position we want to put our children into. I can't tell you how many kids are saying, my friend texted me, they, said they just want to die.
[00:17:42] Keri Cooper: I'm like, this is not where your kid needs to be. Or the other side of it of, texting inappropriate pictures at time is not normally happening at, three o'clock in the afternoon. It's happening in the middle of the night. So save your child from being put in those positions and just take the phones out of the [00:18:00] bedroom.
[00:18:01] Dori Durbin: And we were talking a little bit too about younger kids too. As long as we're talking about having phones and devices in the rooms, you were talking about younger kids in development.
[00:18:12] Keri Cooper: Yes. They can't handle the technology. These younger kids, they just don't know what to do with it. It's so disruptive.
[00:18:18] Keri Cooper: The longer you could wait for the technology, definitely the better. But again, the more you set up the rules and regulations when they're young, the easier it is as they get older.
[00:18:28] Dori Durbin: Yeah. I'm not going to blame COVID forever, but right now it feels like COVID brought technology to the forefront.
[00:18:35] Dori Durbin: Like you said, it kept us in the houses kept us less social and yet it pushed us to use social media to become social. And now we're trying to undo all the things that we don't even know what the results are. And that's
[00:18:47] Keri Cooper: where we're seeing a lot of social anxiety for so long everything was just over, over text over zoom and now.
[00:18:53] Keri Cooper: Kids actually need to see each other in person and it's creating a lot of social anxiety. They're not used to it. We, some of these [00:19:00] kids miss developmental stages where you're supposed to be transitioning to like hanging out more out of the house and with your friends and they miss that.
[00:19:06] Keri Cooper: The little ones miss like play dates, like in person, like that's all been missed and we don't know how to recover from that because we've never gone through anything like this. But all we know is that what we're left with is a ton of anxiety. So that's what we need to focus on. How do we fix the anxiety?
[00:19:23] Keri Cooper: And again, if we're not getting good sleep, if we're not limiting our screen time, if we're not eating well, it's going to be so much harder. So I always tell parents, Make sure the basics are down.
[00:19:35] Dori Durbin: So if a parent were going through this and they hear the, Oh, that's me. That's me in there. Or they hear the tunes of their own team.
[00:19:44] Dori Durbin: What are a couple other things maybe that they could start doing right away? .
[00:19:48] Keri Cooper: So right away, I would suggest pulling phones and devices out of bedrooms at night. I would also suggest Family dinner. It is one of my favorite things and the [00:20:00] research is so amazing on it.
[00:20:03] Keri Cooper: Family dinner when the more you have it, the better it gets. But even once a week is something and it's something great. And we've Too often I hear teenagers telling me everyone just goes off to their own room to eat, or mom and dad are eating later, and I'm eating now. You need to come together as a family unit to eat.
[00:20:21] Keri Cooper: That's your time for connection. That's your time for talking. Even if the family dinner is a hot mess, it is still beneficial that you all sat down at a table together without a device. better grades kids get when they have family dinners, less drug use. Like we see the research. So that is something parents can start immediately.
[00:20:40] Keri Cooper: And also get your kids cooking with you, get them involved, teach them that life skill, give them that confidence. Yeah, they could shop for you at, by the time they can drive it. Anyway. Yes. Yes, they can. I just, my son just started driving and he's been doing some food shopping for me. Some of the [00:21:00] things he comes back with are quite interesting.
[00:21:02] Keri Cooper: No, that's not quite what I meant, but that's how you learn.
[00:21:07] Dori Durbin: I love that. And that's part of the exploration. Maybe it was something they just wanted to try. I asked him to get
[00:21:12] Keri Cooper: me half and half for my coffee in the morning and he comes home with I was like, these little mini like packets in a box.
[00:21:17] Keri Cooper: I was like, what is this and where did you find it? He's I didn't know where half and a half was. I went into the coffee aisle and this is what I found. I was like actually that makes sense, but next time it's in the fridge.
[00:21:28] Dori Durbin: I love it. Those are experiences again. If they went to the store, got laundry soap, the same things they're just experimenting and seeing what they can do on their own, which is awesome.
[00:21:40] Dori Durbin: Tell us a little bit more about your book and what teens will get out of it.
[00:21:44] Keri Cooper: Sure. So I have two books and actually the first one was written during COVID because I had so many parents calling me and I was beyond full and just couldn't get more kids in my office and every other therapist was the same.
[00:21:56] Keri Cooper: So I said, I need to get information into their hands now that they could start using. So [00:22:00] it is a very user friendly book. It's called, they're both on Amazon, Mental Health Uncensored, 10 Foundations Every Parent Needs to Know is the parent version. And it talks about 10 foundations, five of them physical, five of them more mental health that need to be in place to improve mental health.
[00:22:17] Keri Cooper: The other book is actually a workbook for teens really from 13 and up and it's called very same title mental health uncensored 10 foundations every teen needs to know and it is based on the parent book that way as parents you know what you need to do but as the kids. They're really seeing it in front of them.
[00:22:34] Keri Cooper: And, I go through sleep and why it's important and then how to track your sleep and how do you feel with that amount of sleep. We go through food. We go through exercise. We also go through friends and friendships. And I actually have a whole diagram in there about all of that. Friendship circles, how everyone's not going to be all in for you and what are the different levels of friends and what does that mean?
[00:22:56] Keri Cooper: Because that's been a really big issue I see in my practice is that [00:23:00] kids don't understand that there's different levels of friendship, that somebody could be just a school friend. Somebody could be your best friend. Somebody could just be in your outer network and that's all okay.
[00:23:12] Dori Durbin: That's awesome. You're right.
[00:23:14] Dori Durbin: A lot of times it's either a best friend or just somebody you hang out with. There's not the so I look a lot at the gray areas. That is fabulous. And those are both on Amazon, correct? Awesome. And if they want to get a hold of you to ask you questions or just to look you up and see if they happen to be in New Jersey and can talk to you, where can they do that?
[00:23:36] Keri Cooper: I'm also licensed in many other states too, just if they want to talk to me. I do telehealth a lot too. My website is Keri K E R I Cooper Holistic Therapy dot com, and I'm on Instagram at Keri Cooper Holistic Therapy.
[00:23:49] Keri Cooper: Keri.
[00:23:50] Dori Durbin: You have given us so much. I really appreciate the tangible elements that you've given us.
[00:23:56] Dori Durbin: And I want to say, if you're a parent who hears this right now [00:24:00] and says, this is me, then you probably should look Keri up and get in contact with her. Thank you so much for your time today, Karen.
[00:24:07] Keri Cooper: Thank you so much. This was great.
[00:24:10] Keri Cooper: Thank you.
