[00:00:00] Marji Hadad: So our target market right now as we're parents is our children. What are we teaching them? How are we role modeling? How are we setting an example in times like these?
[00:00:13] Dori Durbin: Okay, parents. Do you find yourself worrying about how your kids are going to act in public or even how the public will perceive our kids? But when you think about PR or public relations, it's probably not something you think about in terms of parenting. You may not right now.
[00:00:31] Dori Durbin: That is, but probably after this episode. You really will. be thinking about it. This episode it's jam packed full of valuable PR parenting wisdom.
[00:00:42] Dori Durbin: Like how can you use PR skills to improve your parenting? What is the PR approach to handling a crisis with your kids?
[00:00:50] Dori Durbin: And how can PR parenting make the world a kinder, gentler place? Even for your own children.
[00:00:56] Dori Durbin: My guest today is a global public relations expert [00:01:00] and she can answer all of those questions plus a whole lot more. She's also a mom, the author of the power of PR parenting. And the award winning TV, producer, and speaker, and has three grown kids of her own. Margie Hidad is also currently living in Israel as well as the United States.
[00:01:21] Dori Durbin: Hi. And welcome Margie, first and foremost, I want to thank you so much for being with us today. I know that you're a mom of older kids, but what our listeners won't know is that you're living in the middle of a frightening war in Israel. And what's so inspiring to me is your continued strong desire to help parents. So even though there's much, much more going on there, I think we should start talking about. What Do we need to teach our kids about understanding other people?
[00:01:50] Marji Hadad: So are we look teaching our children to look for the light and other people and people who bring the sunshine as well as people [00:02:00] who are not necessarily like us?
[00:02:04] Marji Hadad: Who have different religions are come from different communities, different parts of the world have different cuisine than we have celebrate different holidays, assuming peaceful. That's really awesome. So we need to teach our children to be accepting of these things and to appreciate them to celebrate them rather than forming prejudices.
[00:02:33] Marji Hadad: Where that he'd lash out eventually and become intolerant and Ultimately become part of a force like what we saw on October 7th here So I have an article coming out soon and it's really about what are you teaching your kids? And what are your teachers teaching your kids? How are you role modeling?
[00:02:57] Marji Hadad: Because our kids watch everything that we do. They hear [00:03:00] everything we say, they watch what we do, and they adopt it. So how are you role modeling for your kids? And this is also a key element in the power of PR parenting. Because in public relations, we're sharing key messages with our target market, and we hope whoever that is will receive our message the way we intend it to. Be received. Correct. So our target market right now as we're parents is our children. What are we teaching them? How are we role modeling? How are we setting an example in times like these?
[00:03:40] Dori Durbin: That's so good.
[00:03:41] Dori Durbin: We don't think that far out we think about, especially when you have little kids you're like focused on.
[00:03:46] Dori Durbin: The next 24 hours to two days, right? And survival and not what you're teaching them every single moment of the day.
[00:03:55] Marji Hadad: Well, in terms of the little ones, like the two or three, as long as they know, listen, even [00:04:00] when they're little, before they learn how to speak. They're still watching you. They're still listening to you. You're singing songs with them, right? What songs are you choosing? Ones of love or ones of hate? It starts from the very beginning,
[00:04:16] Dori Durbin: one of the questions I wanted to ask you was for people who don't know what a PR consultant coordinator expert does, what are some of the principles that are just basic that you actually focus in on so people understand that piece first?
[00:04:33] Marji Hadad: tHat's, it's funny because my mother asked me that question for most of my career. She thought public relations was advertising. Yeah, and
[00:04:43] Dori Durbin: I think that's, there's a little bit of a misconception in HR and PR, sometimes people switch those.
[00:04:49] Marji Hadad: Exactly. Public relations ultimately is Defining your short, medium, and long term goals, defining who your [00:05:00] target market is, and then defining what messages you would like to share with that target market in order to achieve your short, medium, and long term goals.
[00:05:11] Marji Hadad: And then all of the process in between to achieve. This that's what it is. That's public relations. So there's strategy meetings. There's discussing what you want to say and how you want to say it and who you want to say it to there's practicing your interviewing is practicing your presentation skills is practicing what you would want to do and try not to do there's the debrief.
[00:05:44] Marji Hadad: All sorts of things. There's also a lot of writing involved. There's a lot of talking involved. So at the end of the day, when somebody and there's a lot of reading involved, because you're constantly reading, writing, editing. And I have a specialty in [00:06:00] medical public relations. So I read a lot of medical. Information and I help very smart people far smarter than I am to take extremely high level concepts and make them understandable to a kindergarten class.
[00:06:20] Dori Durbin: That's awesome. That's not an easy job, especially for the medical piece of things.
[00:06:25] Marji Hadad: I have really cool, dynamic, brilliant people in my world, and I'm extremely fortunate to be working with people who are advancing medical science to the benefit of people worldwide.
[00:06:42] Marji Hadad: And my contribution is to say, okay, so what you're really trying to tell me is this. And they say, yes, or no, and then I'll say, so how old's your youngest child or your youngest grandchild? Now [00:07:00] explain it to me. Pretend I'm their age. Now explain it to me. And we work together until we get it right.
[00:07:08] Marji Hadad: It's like writing a kid's book, you know that?
[00:07:10] Dori Durbin: It is. It's very much like writing a kid's book. It is,
[00:07:15] Marji Hadad: but this is the reason why. It's not because the target market has kindergarten level understanding. It's because when you're speaking on television or on a podcast, Whoever's listening needs to understand it the first time you say it, because they can't go back and listen again, everyone.
[00:07:34] Marji Hadad: Sometimes they can, but generally speaking, people don't do that. If they don't hear it, understand it the first time, they just leave it. And it's very important to be clear and to be understandable, because if people don't get what you're trying to say, and it goes over their head, then your brilliance is lost.
[00:07:53] Marji Hadad: And we want people to understand just how amazing these people and what they're doing is. [00:08:00] So that's why the key messages and being able to say these very supercalifragilisticexpialidocious kind of concepts in very simple, easily digestible messaging.
[00:08:14] Dori Durbin: So let me ask you this. I know PR mostly because of crisis management situations.
[00:08:21] Dori Durbin: Ah,
[00:08:21] Marji Hadad: yes. Yes, that's right. Management, by the way, chapter one.
[00:08:28] Dori Durbin: That's what I was going to ask you is crisis management has got to be part of parenting, the parenting PR book, and I think that for a lot of parents. It's not only their reaction to the kids, it's also the kids reactions to each other. If you were to give me some advice as far as managing a crisis and using PR principles, what would that look like?
[00:08:53] Marji Hadad: Okay, when you have a crisis, whatever it is, because crises, Are not planned in your [00:09:00] diary. They just happen and they surprise you when you go. Oh, okay. I have a crisis. Now, what do I do? You assess the situation, you already know what the goal is, which is to fix it. And you say to yourself, how can I fix it?
[00:09:17] Marji Hadad: So strategy tactics quickly in your head and then execute out freaking out. No freaking out aloud. Get real quiet. That's the situation. What are my next steps? I'm either right person to take these next steps. If I am go for it. If I'm not, then find somebody who can help and assist that person or get out of the way so they can do their job.
[00:09:48] Marji Hadad: Really, you've taken the
[00:09:49] Dori Durbin: emotional reaction piece out of it and put in a
[00:09:52] Marji Hadad: system. Correct. It's called in the book compartmentalization. You can [00:10:00] freak out and cry, punch your pillow, scream, later. True. Whatever takes the edge off as long as it's legal. Okay. Later. When you're in a crisis. You need to focus, keep your eye on the donut, which is actually the motto and the saying at the front of the book, and there's a reason for it.
[00:10:23] Marji Hadad: Keep your eye on the donut, not on the hole. Take care of your business. And guess what? As you're doing this, your kids are watching you. They're seeing how you react and what you do. So if you are able to role model this way, then your kids Eventually, we'll do the same and I know this to be true because my kids watched me do this for years at work during work crises and at home when somebody would like when my son [00:11:00] tripped on a wet floor in the bathroom and split open his eyebrow on the toilet bowl, that was a good one, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, some kid fell off of a swing in a park and gashed their head and the mother started freaking out.
[00:11:17] Marji Hadad: And I just calmed everybody down and I said, who wants to sing a song and I told the mother to call the ambulance and I checked the wound and put like a something pressure on it so that it wouldn't, go all over the place and just made sure it was clean with a wipe, et cetera, et cetera.
[00:11:34] Marji Hadad: You just focus, take care of business until the appropriate people who can really help. It doesn't necessarily need to be medical either. Dory. I heard from a mother who read the book that she had a crisis. It had to do with finding a room for she and her couple of kids to sleep one night because they were [00:12:00] in a, they were visiting in a, in another city and they hadn't booked a hotel yet.
[00:12:04] Marji Hadad: They thought everything would be fine and it wasn't fine. Very long story short. She thought instead of freaking out because she was about to freak out in front of her kids. She remembered chapter one and she said to herself, there is a solution. I just need to find it. Within three minutes. She had it fixed. Bravo to her.
[00:12:24] Dori Durbin: Yes. That's such a good point, too, because I think crises can be different weights in our minds, but they can feel the same. It could be like a hotel room versus a gashed head. They're different levels of emergency, but yet they feel the same. And so to have that system or that process and have the calm is really important.
[00:12:46] Dori Durbin: Also, your comment about the kids watching. I remember when my kids were really little. I was super overprotective, and if they fell, I would react, and oh honey, are you okay, and went straight to that, until [00:13:00] somebody told me, if you keep doing that, everything's going to be a big deal, and I didn't realize that, and I think this is very similar, too, you're training them to have this response of calm, and controlled, and thinking through what happened,
[00:13:13] Marji Hadad: right?
[00:13:14] Marji Hadad: Absolutely, and I love that you used that example, because it's also cited in the book. When your kid falls. Do you want them to just brush themselves off and get up and start playing again, assuming everything's okay? Or do you want them to carry on drama? Milk it for all it's got, which direction do you want your kid to go?
[00:13:36] Marji Hadad: You check to see after your child's fallen, give it a couple seconds, see whether everything's still functioning and everything and nothing. There's no blood pouring out and what have you. If everything's okay, just smile and say, let's go. They take their cues from you. The first thing your kid does when they fall is they look at your face to see your reaction.
[00:13:59] Marji Hadad: If [00:14:00] you're not reacting other than a smile, then they continue on their, along on their business, along on their way. If you start freaking out, then they're going to start bawling, and God only knows when they're going to stop. Because they see they have your attention, you're freaking out, and they're like, oh, I can milk this one with mom now.
[00:14:21] Marji Hadad: Yes.
[00:14:23] Dori Durbin: It is interesting too, as you're talking about that my daughter is in college. College. And she's had two ACL tears. And the first one I was there for, and I remember her being so calm and I wanted to just run over there and swoop her up and just, cry and react. But I was so afraid to react and have her react.
[00:14:44] Dori Durbin: And then the second one has been when she was in college. And she said that her coach said, why are you so calm right now? Everybody else who's ever torn anything here has screamed and sworn and she's I don't know. I just, that's just [00:15:00] who I am. And he was just so shocked and she was able to take direction.
[00:15:05] Dori Durbin: She's able to do what she needed to do, was calm through it and then later reacted. But, in that moment, it was like a no brainer for her. And I really do think it was because of learning how not to react when she was younger and assessing and trying to figure things out. You never know where that's gonna, how that's gonna show up again later.
[00:15:25] Marji Hadad: Actually, you do know how it's gonna show up and you just proved it and I have the exact same stories. Yes, this is a confirmed approach. I would actually call it a PR parenting approach and well done. You've been PR parenting your whole life. You just didn't at least in
[00:15:40] Dori Durbin: that area. What about.
[00:15:42] Dori Durbin: The concept, and maybe this doesn't fall into parenting, or maybe it does. Personal branding seems to be something with PR. Is it with something that we can
[00:15:54] Marji Hadad: apply to parenting?
[00:15:57] Marji Hadad: Personal branding is a whole [00:16:00] sub segment of its own.
[00:16:05] Dori Durbin: Would a better way to say it would be personal imaging, like what you represent to the world?
[00:16:12] Marji Hadad: Probably, because your image to the world is includes the messages that you want to share. I could have come on here today in a t shirt and a pair of jeans, but I prefer to come on speaking to you in your community, looking like a professional woman, the way I would show up to an office or business meeting.
[00:16:37] Marji Hadad: As a as an excuse me as an opinion leader. And a leader of a movement that being the PR parenting movement so that you feel comfortable and see me as an authority figure part of being an authority figure is putting on the jacket and brushing my hair and looking [00:17:00] presentable as opposed to what I had earlier today, which was my ponytail and my t shirt and my sweatshirt, which is actually what I'm dressed in when I'm writing or editing.
[00:17:12] Marji Hadad: So perception from a public relations. Viewpoint is extremely important. So that again, people accept your messages the way you intend them to be received.
[00:17:22] Marji Hadad: It's the visual component of it. I think the,
[00:17:26] Dori Durbin: from the parenting side of things too, I, when I was growing up, my, my mom used to tell me, okay, so if I was standing off to the side and watching you, What would I see and how would I perceive what you were doing? And so usually it was when I was in trouble, like I was doing something I shouldn't be doing or whatever, leaning at church and hanging on something or bouncing or whatever.
[00:17:50] Dori Durbin: But, it was something that did stick with me over time, as far as, how you appear to other people and whether that's friendly or, [00:18:00] somebody who has extreme confidence or whatever you want to say, I think there is something to parenting and having that sense or how you give that to your kids.
[00:18:11] Marji Hadad: I 100 percent agree with that, and that's going to boil down to confidence. Do you walk into the room with your head held high, whether people in the room or you don't know anyone? Do you believe in yourself well enough to share your opinions, and if somebody disagrees with you, that you can agree to disagree?
[00:18:34] Marji Hadad: With a smile on your face, maintain your friendship, just understanding that you see things differently. Do you have the self love to be able to be kind to somebody else? even if they're different, or they come from a different background? Do you have the kind of self love where you can share and feel good about yourself, and if you [00:19:00] mess up, it's a, so what, let me try again, as opposed to running home and feeling bad?
[00:19:07] Marji Hadad: Do you have resilience so that you continue to keep trying until you get it right? And if you don't ever achieve that ultimate goal, it's still okay because you enjoyed the journey along the way, you had experiences you would not have had otherwise, and those experience helped you to excel in other areas you hadn't planned where you did succeed.
[00:19:33] Marji Hadad: and get the goal in some way, shape or form. So it all works together and it all starts with teaching our kids very early on just how wonderful they are to be proud of the community that they come from and to have a very high self esteem. People who feel good about themselves are kind.
[00:19:58] Marji Hadad: People who do not feel good about [00:20:00] themselves from whatever the reason have a hard time sharing and celebrating others and genuinely being happy for somebody else's success.
[00:20:12] Dori Durbin: That's so true. That is so true. And that's something to, back to the conflict resolution or crisis situations, like it's all those pieces of being aware of who you are and what you're bringing with you.
[00:20:26] Marji Hadad: Listen, after 30 years in the public relations business. If somebody has a win, gets it out of the park, I'm thrilled for them. I'm not jealous. I'm like, yay for you, and if we worked on it together, I have no intention of even wanting to be part of the credit. They can have it all. I've had enough successes in my life that I just.
[00:20:51] Marji Hadad: Really don't care. good for them. Bravo. And when my friends do well or my colleagues do well, I cheer them on.[00:21:00]
[00:21:01] Marji Hadad: And I think that's something that we should teach our kids to do too. Because when some, when one person wins, we all win. Doesn't ex actually have to be in our hand. We can feel good about the overall joy of success and bask in the light of that success because we're doing well too. Winds don't always have to be so grand. And with bands playing, sometimes winds are small and wonderful achievements in and of themselves. And we need our Children to understand to compare themselves to themselves and not anybody else. . I've got two kids.
[00:21:41] Marji Hadad: So guess what? Not everything's a straight line. It's a total zigzag. And guess what? It's okay. And spoiler alert, number two child is a medical student. But that was a zigzag. Total zigzag.
[00:21:58] Dori Durbin: Good one. [00:22:00] okAy. Let's do this.
[00:22:01] Dori Durbin: I really want them to hear what your book, The Power of PR Parenting is about. And I think that we're giving them the cons, not all the concepts by any means, but some of the concepts and some of the feel.
[00:22:14] Marji Hadad: I'd have to say that the book addresses questions from real working moms.
[00:22:21] Marji Hadad: I wanted to write something that was practical by the name, by the way, the name of the book is called the power of PR parenting. How to raise confident, resilient and successful children using public relations strategies. And ultimately, it's a 25 year retrospective of how I use my own. skill set as a public relations executive to raise my kids.
[00:22:47] Marji Hadad: The topic was actually the medical student's idea. She was telling me that she had friends who were recently married and they wanted to have kids, but they were concerned [00:23:00] they wouldn't be able to balance parenthood with the career interests. And she said, Mom, you made mistakes, but overall, I think you got it right.
[00:23:08] Marji Hadad: You need to help. The next generation. So that's where the thought came from. And then my next thought was let's be practical and not random about what I'm going to write about in this book. So I asked a bunch of working moms. What do you want to know? And then we'll look at it through a public relations lens.
[00:23:28] Marji Hadad: So that's how I went about writing it. And it's extremely conversationally written. The way I'm speaking to you now is how I wrote it. So it's like the easiest read in the world. My kids read it in an afternoon. And we talk about professional stories and personal stories and what public relations strategy practice.
[00:23:52] Marji Hadad: Or tactic we used and then how you can do the same to [00:24:00] help you to mirror the successes. Skip my mess ups because the mess ups are in there to learn from your hiccups I'm not the perfect mom. Never said I was still making mistakes. The hopefully new ones. I'm not a psychologist. I'm not a parenting expert.
[00:24:17] Marji Hadad: I'm a public relations expert, Dory. And I used, again, my executive public relations skills to raise my kids and at work. Now I did frankly, unintentionally and unknowingly. And it worked out. So imagine if you actually use this stuff intentionally, how much better than you're gonna, how much better you're gonna do it than I did.
[00:24:43] Marji Hadad: I want you to do it better than me. You know how they say, if I knew then what I know now? nOw what I know now, you got the playbook guys, ladies, you got the playbook I hope that it benefits you. So that's what the book is [00:25:00] about. It's 10 chapters. It covers all sorts of things.
[00:25:02] Marji Hadad: Frankly, everything that we've spoken about in our discussion today is covered in this book and then some, and the stories are told not chronologically, but in the order of as they are relevant to the topic of discussion. The age range goes, the earliest story is when I dropped my baby off at the nursery school, the very first day, when he was six months old, and how I dealt with the separation anxiety.
[00:25:30] Marji Hadad: We cover how to get rid of the pacifier, drama free. We talk about how to use rites of passage as early as first grade to have a nice bonding experience. with your child. And this is an exercise you start in first grade, but you can continue this on until you're 40 years old with your colleagues, quite frankly.
[00:25:52] Marji Hadad: We talk about crisis management, we talk about prejudice, we talk about presentation skills and performance skills and how to help your [00:26:00] child really soar with these kind of things, whether they're outgoing or they're shy. And again, how to use traditional rites of passage to do that. Listen, I've been presentation and media training for 30 years.
[00:26:17] Marji Hadad: So I brought this skill set home and used it at every chance. Copy editing, I did that at every chance, but I did it in such a way that encouraged my children to love to write. I love to read. My kids have a reading habit. We have so many books in this house. There's not room for a piece of paper in our library.
[00:26:41] Dori Durbin: That's good parenting right there.
[00:26:44] Marji Hadad: There you go.
[00:26:46] Dori Durbin: Okay, let me back up just a second and just say. When you were so honest and authentic, excuse me, about the fact that you didn't do everything right. And you're looking back at it as somebody who [00:27:00] recognized what works.
[00:27:01] Dori Durbin: I think that's huge because I think even putting this podcast together, I think we have this misconception that to be a good parent, you have to do things right, like all the time. And in reality, I think to be a good parent, you have to do things and recognize that it worked and recognize when it didn't work, what options you skipped, right?
[00:27:20] Dori Durbin: Would you say that's true?
[00:27:22] Marji Hadad: Yes, absolutely. And here, the bottom line, Dory, is our kids will all survive us.
[00:27:31] Dori Durbin: That's true. Go on another day.
[00:27:34] Marji Hadad: Everything kind of carries forward to us and then to the next generation and so on and so forth. So the whole point of the power of PR parenting is to help us raise our kids to be full of self love and confidence. Have resilience, achieve some sort of success, and feel good enough about themselves that they can pass the same on to their children and to future [00:28:00] generations.
[00:28:00] Marji Hadad: And if we're actually all kinder, to each other, then maybe we'll get a world someday that's a nicer place to live and not like the one where we're living today, which brings a kind of full circle to what we're talking about at the beginning of our discussion. The rise in antisemitism.
[00:28:21] Marji Hadad: Islamophobia and any other kind of hatred out there for an ethnic group should have no place in our world. We need to be respectful and kind, celebrate our differences, look for the light and kindness, which should be our common denominator for humanity, and just get along, period, and keep it peaceful and not violent.
[00:28:50] Marji Hadad: And anybody who can't appreciate that, we need to reconsider their membership in the world community.
[00:28:59] Dori Durbin: That's [00:29:00] such profound advice and profound perspective coming from you being in the middle of Israel right now,
[00:29:07] Marji Hadad: That part's personal, and I wrote the book before all this tragedy and horrific current events began. But the core of it remains the same, and it's very important that we role model properly for our children.
[00:29:27] Marji Hadad: So that our future will be a kinder, more respectful place where people stand up for each other and they help each other.
[00:29:36] Dori Durbin: Agreed. , I have one more question for
[00:29:39] Marji Hadad: you. Oh, we could go on for hours. I know we really could.
[00:29:43] Dori Durbin: I'm sure the listeners have nothing better to do today.
[00:29:47] Marji Hadad: Listen, I blocked up plenty of time. We can go on. Whatever you want to know, I'm glad to answer.
[00:29:52] Dori Durbin: Thank you for that. So one question that I did have, with Parents, let's say they want to use maybe some of your [00:30:00] concepts today.
[00:30:01] Dori Durbin: They are going to get your book, but they feel like just so completely motivated by you. So what are three things that they could take from you right now and start to put it into action right away?
[00:30:14] Marji Hadad: Keep your sense of humor, keep it positive and keep your focus and you can get through anything
[00:30:29] Marji Hadad: and anything that you do.
[00:30:32] Marji Hadad: Perfect. Perfect. It's summarized in one sentence, those three things, mainly because everything that we do during the course of our day requires some version of positivity. Some version of focus and keeping your sense of humor, whether it's something funny that you can laugh at, whether it's something not funny that you need to find some sort of silver lining just to help you get over that hump, [00:31:00] even if it's like standing in line.
[00:31:02] Marji Hadad: At the pharmacy to get the prescription and it seems like it's just standing there. Oh, nothing's moving. Keep your focus. Why are you there? Keep your sense of humor. Let's see if a snail moves faster than this line, and keep it positive because once you get your prescription, then whoever that prescription is for will feel
[00:31:24] Dori Durbin: That's so true. And that's that perspective again of where you are and where you want to be
[00:31:29] Marji Hadad: absolutely. That is a PR parenting quintessential line and I live by it daily honest to God daily. We all have hills and valleys, we have good moments and bad moments and we just have to regroup and remember those three core concepts.
[00:31:51] Marji Hadad: And to breathe and know that, you know what, it's everything is, everything will work out eventually. In [00:32:00] some way, shape or form,
[00:32:02] Dori Durbin: that's so true. It's all going to be back to your silver lining.
[00:32:05] Dori Durbin: There's some benefit that's going to happen because of this period of time event, whatever's going on. And thinking through to where it could go in a positive way.
[00:32:15] Marji Hadad: Yes I'm waiting for some good news. I would love to have good news considering all the hills and valleys that I've had over the past six months.
[00:32:27] Marji Hadad: And I'm just hoping that I've paid my dues and the community has paid its dues and we're going to see some light coming out of the darkness very shortly. I hope so too.
[00:32:38] Dori Durbin: I know what we can do. We can flood your mailbox and buy your book. So where can we find you and where can we send you mail?
[00:32:48] Marji Hadad: Thank you for asking.
[00:32:49] Marji Hadad: You can certainly find me on Instagram. Margie had died at Margie had died Margie with the J and my book portal is P. R. F. O. [00:33:00] R. period life where you can sign up for the newsletter. You can also sign up for the P. R. parenting Facebook group can find me there. That's where you should be asking questions.
[00:33:11] Marji Hadad: You can also reach out to me. On the information form on P. R. F. O. R. period life. The book, the power pair parenting is available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble and there is a free workbook that comes with the book. Just make sure to use that QR code at the end of each chapter so that you can workshop what you've learned in the chapter.
[00:33:31] Marji Hadad: If you're interested in doing that, I wanted you to have something practical in your hand. So that you could plan ahead of time if you choose to. And if you would be so kind, if you like the book, I would be very grateful and appreciative if you could post a review on Amazon. That would be very helpful.
[00:33:48] Dori Durbin: Okay, so just in case you missed it, we're going to repeat it one more time. Margie's book, which is an award-winning international number one bestseller is called the power of [00:34:00] PR parenting. And it's available on Amazon. And we've also provided links in the show notes. So you can check it out and give her a view.
[00:34:08] Dori Durbin: Again, Margie, thank you so much for taking the time to do this and for giving us so many important PR nuggets. . .
[00:34:16] Marji Hadad: I hope it helps everybody to have an easier path and I'm praying for all of us to have a very peaceful and brilliant future.
[00:34:27] Dori Durbin: Thank you so much Margie.